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Jonni Shreve - Greg Doucette's Bodyguard HOLLOW, INCOMPLETE Apology to Geoffrey Verity Schofield

by Curlean-X

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Published 4 May 2021

Kudos to Greg Doucette for working out things with Geoffrey Verity Schofield and apologizing on behalf of his team. However, a day before this, Greg’s friend and former coach made a video simply bashing Geoffrey on unrelated, irrelevant topics. I feel like this dilutes Greg’s message (and the values of that message) in his apology video, and this was not good behavior on Jonni’s part. Videos Referenced: Geoffrey’s Original video: /watch/Q-CTxD4Jzq1JT Geoffrey’s video on his strike: /watch/4lwsf8sdV6bds Jonni’s 1st video on Geoff: /watch/cZ_7YCls_tys7 Greg’s Apology: /watch/oqaOCH7JDCfJO Jonni’s 2nd video on Geoff: /watch/0Ww_VAvdlxtd_ Alan Thrall on Rounding Your Back: /watch/kDC6rLfNwzrN6 Greg’s ectomorph supplement tips: /watch/kk2mhOkXNOzXm Sean Nalewanyj on Greg’s supplement tips: /watch/Asta4346xlo6a Geoffrey on Rounding your back: /watch/4TiiKaEEJMcEi Austin Baraki deadlifts: /watch/Q6Mglf7GFBsGg https://www.instagram.com/p/B82jovYAFjU/ Farmer Carries: /watch/A4g5tqFHTvYH5 /watch/523=t?0GzlKS6WW5HW= /watch/EAlOVpHMAALMO Sean Noriega Deadlift: https://www.instagram.com/p/CJcH1Ebg7oE/ Jonni on Athlean X: /watch/cJh2jOA5_Ft52 Zercher deadlift: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnLbi2BmJf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Knees over toes Guy: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNf2LzfFzqP/ Pain and Injury and Technique: Normal movements of low back in SQ/DL: https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/normal-movements-of-the-low-back-during-squats-and-deadlifts/ Inter and Intra-individual variability in spinal flexion (BBM podcast): https://soundcloud.com/user-344313169/january-bmr-mixdown-1 Jeff Nippard on Posture: /watch/8vkUDqMySUyyU Jeff Nippard Sam Spinelli podcast on posture: /watch/EJFd7AvcjCCcd Injury roundtable: /watch/YLYND9681tT8N Music: MGSV unreleased online FOB Menu /watch/M7ENGb-sYQXsN Curlean-X is an educational, non-profit channel. I do not own anything. All audio and footage belongs to respective owners. Please check out the FAQ in "About" to see if any questions you have may have already been answered: FAQS: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wpnLvCT2G4QotF857fjBb2ArW3u4s1uh-k7fs-FkArU/edit?usp=sharing Fake Weights FAQS: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BSnmJqfThu_k5Jd-g5aQ9o7XTFacqTDDCVK20oD-hys/edit?usp=sharing

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@JonniShreve3 years ago Great video, but you def have one HUGE mistake. I did this on my own but it doesn’t matter what i say you will believe what you want. I’m passionate about what i do.
Secondly you made points about other lifters with a round back being ok etc. It is right now...but not in the future. So that’s why I’m passionate about rounded backs being “ok’d” as I’ve done extensive research on this as i wanted to see how to prevent people from my current situation, deteriorating L4.L5 arthritis and osteophytes. It sucks.
Was i harsh 100% prob as hard as someone can call prowl they don’t know “chimps” said by GVS.
Either way man this is the first vid like this and I’m honoured but at the same time i don’t know if I’m suppose to do a response? But i said it and i stand by it. What we put out on any platform is fair game so i commend you on a great video and great response. You can only judge what you see and you did great. But unfortunately some points are very wrong but that’s just individual interpretation. Ill leave it there.
I will def say sorry to my guy GVS for being harsh he does know his shit has good information BUT i stand very strong behind performing any lift that will eventually enable beginner or impressionable lifters to lift wrong or less optimal. ... 131
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@GVS3 years ago I was very, very, very nice to Jonni, despite the obvious situation being him digging, digging, digging and finally pulling up quite literally my first YouTube video ever in order to attempt to discredit me, clearly as a favor to Greg.
The other comments were less nice. The like/dislike ratio says a lot. People are not as stupid as these guys think.
Thank you for making this video. ... 262
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@EnkiriElite3 years ago Good video, man. It needed to be addressed because it was a pretty grimy tactic and if it had not been for the backlash they received by trying it then I'm sure it's a tactic they would have continued using in the future. ... 175
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@abdullahambrose31453 years ago Jonni simping for Greg harder than last time 75
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@NaturalHypertrophy3 years ago That's where you're mistaken. Curlean. "When the weight gets heavy enough" doesn't apply to people who can't seem to grasp the concept of RPE and going to failure. Form degradation is sure to never happen when you constantly lift sub-intensely but still progress due to "supplements" ... 151
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@HHmz-rp8ht3 years ago Bodyguard? the guy is mearly collecting the crumbs off Greg's success 62
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@freakied05503 years ago So glad to see the community as a whole has become more educated and no longer is at the mercy of purely what the big channels are saying. 83
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@countofst.germain64173 years ago Johnny is so cringe, he's trying to yell and act like Greg 104
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@funny_dmv51073 years ago It’s clear Jonni made this video from how upset Greg was because usually in jonnis critique videos he actually offers advice and not bash the person for having “bad” form 51
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@snwachuku3 years ago Thank you for putting this out because Jonni attempted to make it seem like anyone that disagreed with his video on GVS were somehow "loyal" to him as opposed to objectively looking at the video and clearly seeing that he made the video in bad faith. His video and Greg's apology video don't mesh, so Jonni should have left himself out of it and let Greg and GVS hash it out. He got emotional, poked his nose in and ended up looking stupid in a seriously obvious way. ... 48
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@zanyaboutit3 years ago To my eyes, the person with the most leeching-intention in this situation seems JONNI SHREVE... 17
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@unitedsoccerguy3 years ago Both of Jonni’s videos were pathetic. I had never watched him before, but for someone who claims to be “Mr Tell it How it Is,” he seems extremely disingenuous and kind of desperate for attention. 51
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@hhfbko3 years ago hey, that's me! 9
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@dicrurusparadiseus3 years ago your list of resources is seriously detailed. I appreciate the hard work that goes into making videos like these. 16
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@neversate3 years ago Glad you mentioned him he is like Alan Roberts 35
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@fren63633 years ago That Allan Thrall robot movement tho, 🔥🔥🔥 7
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@Tee4683 years ago Thanks for making these videos. I just wish they could reach more people so everyone can see the bullshit in the fitness industry. I've learned so much since I started watching you after checking out recommended channels. Keep it up dude👍 ... 5
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@eyeoftruth44053 years ago Check greg's latest video, he's saying everybody criticizing him are mosquitoes lol... guy has high ego 26
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@Andrina-fl9ef3 years ago Considering Greg use to instruct his subs to leave comments on other channels who didn't speak favorably toward him, I'm not surprised he has a bodyguard too. 11
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@IMJJTheJetPlane3 years ago This was the main point I was trying to make. Jonni's video was posted THE DAY AFTER the drama. It was nowhere near the same quality or setup as the other videos in the Coaching Up series. To try and claim that this was all just a coincidence is insulting to everyone's intelligence. We're not dumb, Jonni. But hey, we all win so it doesn't matter, right? ... 7
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@Copeman99993 years ago At least, unlike Shredded Sports Science, Greg's bodyguards actually lift. 26
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@newyorkforever57793 years ago the battle we never thought we needed, natty army vs the juice gang. so much content for everyone. 4
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@kennethg92773 years ago Shreve is a disgrace; one can learn a lot about an individual by the idiocy of their bodyguards. Great video on technique reductionism in general also. Another helpful one. 34
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@boxman_ninja08193 years ago "I want to be held to a higher standard" but I don't think Greg has ever taken any piece of constructive criticism seriously on his channel. Try to find one time where a legit argument is thrown his way where he doesn't miss the point, deflect, or straight up claim that he's right by virtue of being Gshred. ... 12
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@omglookatme68993 years ago I really respect Jonni, and enjoy his content. It was extremely disappointing when he made that video. 16
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@zodd673 years ago I thought the editing of Jonni's was suspiciously better than usual not sure if that one was sent to the Greg's editors for polishing up... 4
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@kostisth14363 years ago his video was a 20min ad hominem as his buddy says all the time when someone attacks him 11
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@baibhavghosh86413 years ago Gshred(like AthleanX) is a bully
Gshred(like AthleanX) has cringey bodyguard(s) lol 29
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@efromme3 years ago Yeah he was going in on him way to hard, being overly critical, pretty apparent what he was trying to do . 11
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@eless35433 years ago Athlean X was lucky to get a pass after his henchmen went after Alec Enkiri, Shreve not so much. Will say it again, a body language expert would have a field day with the Shreve "transparency" video and the attempted damage control.
Greg welcomes criticism?? Has he responded ever to one of your videos? ... 10
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@luqmanhbs38853 years ago You seem to be nice here to use the Testosterone example instead of the weight loss supplements video where Greg suggested sleeping pills and stimulants, including caffeine and ephedrine. He even cited cough medicine as an example. ... 11
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@virgil32412 years ago Ive always wondered about the rounded back and dead lifts. I cant touch my toes, never have, never will. I have long legs, and Im flexible to. Ive just never been able to touch my toes. So how can I deadlift and put the weights flat on the floor without rounding my back. By having my legs wider apart? Which then would maybe cause issues in other places ...
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@davidsenay28113 years ago I can relate this to sitting down on a couch. Why would you flex your muscle and try to keep a perfect posture when the cushions will support you 😅 old school body building is what's wrong with fitness today. You have to get strong in every position and there is no thing as perfect posture all depends on how you are built and the reason of your training. ... 5
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@samueldavis58953 years ago If memory serves correctly this guy has simped on Greg, playing captain save a bro in at least 3 different videos. 2 of them when Greg got accused of being racist 😅 7
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@jennys19833 years ago I agree with your conclusion. Intellectual dishonesty which you only back-pedalled on because people call you out is not a win for anyone. That clip from Greg’s “apology” at the end goes against everything he’s built his channel on, and he won’t be changing that now. ... 2
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@pauljap33193 years ago Jonni aka Pure Bullfit, EDDF and Shredded Sports Science. Here we go again...another bodyguard. 3
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@bhriscannan20803 years ago So glad you made this video. G Shred and his bodyguard have acted extremely poorly.
JS's videos was full of intellectual dishonesty and strawmans. 3
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@FrankTan923 years ago @ is that bench in the back raised with a plate??????? lmao
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@mattc42663 years ago Thoracic rounding fine lumbar rounding not so much but it also not as dangerous as people think but it is shown when spine is in extension that the erectors bear more load than the joints.
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@chronometa3 years ago Hmmmm. It looks like Greg's copyright strike was more his marketing team advice and he didn't vet that advice beforehand (still his responsibility). Judging by his apology which seems sincere that's the conclusion I came to.
Jonni seems to have let emotions get the best of him here protecting his friend. On the surface level this is a great attribute, but in this context seems a little overstepped. ... 3
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@fazzolarijames3 years ago Good video, nice to see round back deadlifting addressee positively - whenever I put up a video with mild back rounding I always heaps of negative comments. As usual, most viewers have no idea what they’re talking about 🤷🏻‍♂️ ...
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@emirbfitness3 years ago round thoracic back deadlifts are strong and effective it’s an advanced tecy 2
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@roarilanhavneraas69583 years ago I am not sure if Greg is agree with Jonni’s video, but they are good friends👍 2
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@BeaterCar3 years ago Jenni is your typical bodybuilder that really doesn't understand body mechanics and lifting science 7
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@nxet26693 years ago Unsubscribed from Greg now I’m subbed to you n Geoffrey 5
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@Jmack78613 years ago I love when people hate on round back sumo deadlifting, like mine... and Ed coans... and Jamal browner.. and a bunch of Brandon tietz clients. Noobs. 3
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@Mfitzy3 years ago It blows my mind that people are still so dogmatic about lifting with a “neutral” spine.
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@kostmiko77793 years ago Somehow your opinion on the rounded back was different when you talked about AthleanX... Double standards?
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@6pac.3 years ago I just want to say one thing on top of my lungs- GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE JONNI!
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@peaceman33503 years ago Even though gregs content are average at best, it was entertaining. And honestly i watched some videos . But the moment he called Enkiri a mosquito, that when i stopped watching that idiots videos. And Johnni, i started watching his videos recently, but i didnt find it interesting although he seemed a nice guy. But his video dissing Geoffrey is pure hypocrisy at best. Cause a while back he made a video criticising the bodybuilders who block people on social media just cause they couldn't tolerate criticism. And now he is defending the same type and inadvertently becoming a memeber of the same group.
After a huge gap, i started working out last December. I didnt know shit, but then i saw athlean x and started following him for 2 weeks until i saw your channel. At first i was reluctant to watch your videos, but then i gave it a try. And now, 5 months later, thanks to you, iam subscribed to Enkiri, Isratel, Barbell medicine, and few more talented and honest coaches . Your channel was a gold mine for me.
Btw, it was nice of you to bring up sean. He is also a good coach and iam currently following his workout plan with a little modification if my own. ... 1
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@dieselx5063 years ago I've always hated the 'genetics, you chose the wrong parents, sorry' statement
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@wickedglassbears3 years ago It’s silly for Johnni to act like he just randomly decided to make a harsh critique video on Geoffrey and it wasn’t a strategic move to discredit him.
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@barrackthecock3 years ago Jonni Shreve looks like an absolute clown here. Hey Jonni: you’re allowed to criticize Greg Doucette. Pure Bullfit: you’re allowed to be critical of Jeff Cavaliere. Complete amateur hour 9
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@potatoknishes58603 years ago He was just finding an issue because his master gshred told him too
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@nickcustodi5923 years ago You wanna talk about irresponsible advice!? Greg literally recommended “ectomorphs” take testosterone as a fucking supplement? Are you kidding me!? 1
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@Sobersunrise3 years ago I like Jonni, but it's overtly evident that his YouTube success is predicated on being connected to Greg's channel.
If Jonni doesn't capitalize on every opportunity possible made by Greg's infamy, he has no chance to grow or even maintain his channel. It wouldn't surprise me if the two of them have consultations weekly to go over upload schedules and video content. ...
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@billywolf59583 years ago Funny thing is almost everything greg says is Incorrect😂
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@muaddib9893 years ago Curlean x, it must be getting really bad if you’re going after Greg’s flunky.
You can also rate Greg’s apology from 0-10. Then you can follow up with a rating of Greg’s flunkies of how Well they flunky.
You had a peak with Athlean, it won’t be replicated with Greg. He’s not as popular and doesn’t have main stream appeal.
While both have flunkies, Athlean flunkies had pretty decent runs on YouTube. But they’re poop now as well. ...
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@mikeyvesperlick69823 years ago Geoffs back rounding is different to austins bro. Look at their lower backs moving, austin has same start position but he gets it into proper position before the weight even moves. 2
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@immersivecomics16033 years ago Jonni definitely needs to get out of Greg’s shadow. Become his own individual. He’s portrays himself as just Greg’s friend and not as himself sometimes. He’s a good guy who made a bad call. I’d argue he’s smarter than Greg and puts out pretty mediocre content. Greg recycles and plugs his cookbook because it’s his only marketing strategy. Jonni should have more integrity. I like Jonni a lot but Jesus he looked bad in this situation. Greg has been repeated called out for his bullshit but his cult like following denies any criticism and Jonni making shit like this enables it. ...
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@jamesdoe96623 years ago Kinda ironic you calling somone a bodyguard for another youtuber isn't it?
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@workingclassfather18432 years ago Jonni is just defending the honor of his boyfriend 😉
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@NickJennisonlast year I’m sure Johnny’s intentions are good, but these are some hilariously outdated takes on pain and injury.
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@Arcticninja1233 years ago Jonni needs a life y he judge others he no like whenpeople judge him im SURE
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@nickmontanaro96383 years ago I'm hardly an expert, but I would agree that every person's deadlift is going to look a little different. Human anatomy just differs from one person to the next. How can a guy 5'4" with short legs and arms and a long torso deadlift exactly the same as a guy who's 6'5" with long legs and monkey arms but no torso? Just from a kinematics perspective I don't think it's physically possible. Personally, I gave up trying to deadlift traditionally and only do sumo now. Perhaps someday I'll be able to do normal deadlifts without blowing out my lower back, but I'm not sure what the point would even be. Is the difference really that great to be worth the risk?
There's a good video where Brian Shaw is helping Robert Oberst, who struggles with the deadlift, and he tells him to start with the barbell raised and gradually lower it as he develops the mobility to do them correctly, which takes time. This is the opposite of what a lot of people recommend, which, to me, is the worst advice you can give. Oh, you can't get low enough to deadlift correctly? OK then, stand on a lift and force yourself to deadlift from even lower! Huh? By gradually moving from trap bar deadlifts to deadlifts on the lowest position of the power cage to deadlifts off of the Reebok step platforms to deadlifts off of a 45 lb bumper plate to (ultimately) deadlifts off a 25 lb regular plate, I managed to get myself to almost be able to do a regular sumo deadlift off the floor despite having injured my back more than half a dozen times. I also spend a lot more time stretching the hamstrings and hips than I used to. Like Alan Thrall says in that video, the body generally adapts; the key is to work your way up and do so gradually. ... 7
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@umutozgebalkan23912 years ago You’ve criticized Athlean-X’s curled back while deadlifting in another video, but in this video you’are devil’s advocate and try to find arguments who support curled back in some situations blah blah.
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@_Aaron_G_3 years ago Jonni critiqued Geoffrey Schofield's lifting form as he does with all fitness people on YouTube. Geoffrey doesn't recommend his style/form to others, but we all know people copy and are influenced by what they see. So he isn't telling people to lift like him, but he keeps showing it and thus influencing others.
Jonni also made a separate video addressing the copyright strike right after.
I personally think that the copyright strike made by Greg or his team was unjustified, and am glad it has been removed. ...
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@ottowelt43783 years ago Went from 6"2' 165lbs to 280lbs with a flat stomach completely natty. Squat and DL are 600lbs. Never get discouraged by Greg Doucette. Just get the vertical diet pdf, move out from your parents and pile down the food while getting stronger slowly!! ... 1
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@jasonpeng8173 years ago yea, but knees over toes is not lifting heavy(luv this guy) ..huge difference how heavy will affect your body negatively
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@chauchau01033 years ago Greg is just stating the fact that test can help build more muscle, which is in fact true. 'not telling you should use it'
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@marcochavezjr91803 years ago I agree with everything here except the one thing, the way Geoffrey lifts his form definitely is not the best especially in his heavier lifts which I understand because when you lift heavier or do 1 rep Max are definitely not going to have perfect form, but when he lives heavier weight his form is definitely not good, maybe he said don't lift like him or something I am not sure I will have to check it out, but everything else I agree with. ...
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@ghostieboi39923 years ago If you deadlift with a rounded back you are risking being like me, 27, having a hole drilled in your spine so the can stick a vacuum in there to suction out your mangled disc. I can no longer deadlift or do any overhead lifts. I’m warning you don’t want this to happen to you ...
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@empac90323 years ago Wait... Aren’t you one the channels that criticized Cavalier’s cat back on that one deadlift? But now you say it’s ok? I’m not necessarily pro Doucette or pro Shreve or even pro Cavalier. But it seems everyone on YouTube takes sides. So why is it frowned upon to make content supporting the side you choose? If Shreve is guilty and Bullfit is guilt, why not call out nut hugging Enkiri or yourself for that matter? It’s only a matter of time before one of the smaller channels you currently support gets big enough to where you go after them. Doubt Enkiri is at risk of that though, his sh*t isn’t blowing up anytime in the near future 😂 ...
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@robertthefreak23683 years ago greg didn't say you need to take testosteron he don't even recomended . He sad that it can be useful .
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@BurlyBaboon3 years ago Fuark Jonni, but I can honestly see this from Greg's perspective in that Greg's actual plan that he sells was posted in GVS's video and if people see the product for free, there's no reason they would pay for it. I still think he shouldn't have striked it since it was a custom plan, but everyone focussing on the argument that he was trying to copyright and thus silence a critique video is just a huge red herring you guys are emphasizing for dramatic purposes in my opinion as it is not the actual issue in question. Would love to be convinced otherwise. ... 1
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@lilsabin3 years ago curlean-x ... loooool , you realize that you are gaining popularity because of greg and jonni , right ? ..I hope you will have the humility to thank them later
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@devininaraine3 years ago And Greg didn't really recommend test , he said you can make gains but if your goal is to get jacked it probably won't happen if u have bad genetics. Your kind of taking it out of context 2
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@devininaraine3 years ago Your kind of making false comparisons where u are justifying form breakdown on maxes to justify bad form when training. If you are trying to PR on deadlifts, back rounding is fine. If you are training deadlift at sub max weight for reps, there's not really a good reason to round your back. ... 1
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@MirandaNicole903 years ago He’s simply making a video about this guys form.... he does this on multiple athletes. Funny how people can’t make videos on their own channels anymore without people talking shit. This is what Jonni does, nothing new 😂 2
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@snifftheglove11193 years ago To all the folks commenting here - so...you're saying that this Schofield guy's form was good? Representative of healthy training postures that any good coach would implement in their client's lifts?
He got called out. Who gives a shit. He probably learned from it. Secondly...if any of U were trying to kick-start your YouTube channel and bring attention to your product (coaching), you're saying U wouldn't leverage your platform using the success of a friend, in this case Greg Doucette? Anyone that says U WOULDN'T use it to help leverage your platform is a liar. ...
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@Luke-tm6oo3 years ago This is funny because curlean-x is the original bodyguard. Nothing wrong with either of the content. What is wrong is the cancel culture of others. Greg at least said sorry for being an ass. People need to start making logical decisions and stop looking at thing through an eye glass. Think for yourselves! ...
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@pizzaboythejedi29683 years ago Yeah if your profession is to lift stones then a rounded back exercise might be what you need... that doesn’t mean it’s the best for longevity.
A rounded back exposes you to lots of injuries later in life. This is weightlifting 101, we learn it in high school. For GVS to be marketing to beginner lifters and to be giving textbook wrong advice to people that can get them hurt, that’s not ok.
If you are gonna take a crap on other lifters, your advice better be pretty good. Cant get mad at the return criticism.
I agree there is nothing inherently bad about the rounded back, and if you are careful it can be fine. But for the vast majority of people it’s dangerous and should be avoided. It will eventually take away from your longevity in lifting. I’ve been injured so many times in the gym from stupid advice similar to this.
Last point: if you have to slam the weight down, you need to lower the weight. If you have to drop it then you are probably ego lifting and putting yourself at risk if injury. ... 2
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@DanWeston38933 years ago Why does Geoffrey Verity Schofield get a free pass for shitty form? You think it's ok because he said his form sucks and he knows it. That is not good enough, if you put it online for people to see then no excuses call it out. Bad Form is Bad Form, period. Also someone lifting 700lbs on a deadlift is still not an excuse for bad form. If that guy was just starting out deadlifting and looked like that he would be corrected by a good coach. For all you know he gets injured all the time and his back is a trainwreck for days after lifting like that. Aren't you the guy who calls out Athlean-X for bad exercises? I guess if you like someone they get a free pass from you. ...
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@ActiveArron3 years ago Why the hell did I follow you man. Your channel is just trying to stir up drama. An apology video has been dropped and you still want to stir stuff up. Argue all you like a coach should not be demonstrating exercises with crappy rounded back form. ...
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@jusfit99953 years ago bruh speak up you sound scared the whole video 2

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